Taking a moment away from my cheese sandwich, I looked at the countdown. Only four more minutes. Four minutes were all that separated me from Tesla Motors’ live unveiling of Cybertruck. Another bite while I checked my phone messages; just two minutes left now. Dear Lord, was I ready? Needing to calm myself, I poured a glass of cold water, drinking most of it before splashing a bit on my face. Thirty seconds. Things were serious now. Pretty soon, Elon Musk was going to appear and change the face of motoring once again. This will be the automotive announcement by which all others will be measured for weeks.

An ominous horn sounded as my screen illuminated to show me a blood-red stage. This was it. It was like they were announcing the first Terminator. Dark music subsided to a rowdy crowd, as a hologram told us we were addicted to oil. The solution? Cybertruck. Fashionable. Functional. Electric. Elon Musk walked out on stage like God Himself. Everyone started screaming. Humble, he chatted briefly with the front row.

“We need something different,” said after accusing all other truck models to be largely indistinguishable.

It was the weirdest non-conceptual vehicle design I’d ever witnessed. The crowd audibly laughed for fifteen seconds and then attempted to rally. “We love it,” a few started to chant. I thought there was no way this could be real and that, in a few seconds, Elon would chuckle and they’d roll out the real thing. But this was Cybertruck. A silver block of cheese.

That reminded me to get back to my sandwich as I continued watching. More of a DeLorean pickup, maybe. It’s like someone invented a totally new geometric shape and then told me it was a car before I even had time to count all the sides.

I snapped out of it as some Hollywood Guy I didn’t recognize walked up and hit it with a hammer (UPDATE: I later realized this was Tesla designer Franz von Holzhausen, who has a very expensive looking haircut). But not before wailing on a regular truck door, deforming it like the piece of garbage it was. Cybertruck didn’t even flinch when it got hit… though Hollywood Guy (Holzhausen) didn’t seem to strike it quite so hard. However, the point was made. Cybertruck is not body-on-frame. It uses an “ultra-hard, cold-rolled stainless steel exoskeleton,” according to its creator.

Then they shot Cybertruck — providing video evidence for the test. The high-speed video clearly showed the 9mm round did not penetrate (perfect for LA traffic). “It is literally bulletproof to a 9mm handgun,” Musk explained before comparing normal truck doors to tissue paper. “When you say something’s built tough … that’s what we mean.”

Cybertruck also doesn’t use normal glass. It uses “Tesla Armor Glass,” which is apparently made out of transparent metal like on the starship Enterprise. They brought two magicians on stage to test it and those unhappy looking wizards gave it their all with dropped ball bearings but it wouldn’t crack. I was genuinely impressed, however, this felt more like I was watching a stage show in Las Vegas than the unveiling of a vehicle in California.

Finally, Hollywood Guy came back to spice things up — whipping one of the ball bearings directly into Cybertruck’s side glass. The sound of it breaking was infinitely satisfying, even if it was staged. I doubt anyone could really tell at this point. Musk seemed legitimately embarrassed, but this would be something big to tweet about. It also made for a nice segue into the real specs; Musk took the opportunity to slow things down so he could breeze through them.

Cybertruck has an adaptive air suspension and is dimensionally in the middle of what Detroit currently offers. Overall length is said to be 232 inches, width is 80 inches, and it’s 75 inches tall. That air suspension is supposed to help to distribute payload (maximum 3,500 pounds) around the vehicle and help with the approach angle (35 degrees). Though it’s still not entirely clear where that weight goes because there is no bed — there’s an open clamshell back thing they put a futuristic ATV into. The estimated towing capacity somewhere around 14,000 pounds. We’ll see if that number sticks around.

Pricing is good. This weird little freak is supposed to start at $39,900 — which undercuts any other electric pickup we’ve heard of and most of Tesla’s own lineup. Range is supposed to be about 250 miles on the dual-motor base but a sweeter tri-motor truck will be available for a hair under $70,000. There’s also supposed to be an extended range variant with two electric spinners for about $50,000. Buying into a bigger battery is alleged to deliver more than 500 miles on a single — no word on their actual sizes.

From the announcement, I gather that some version of Cybertruck will be able to launch to 60 mph in about 2.9 seconds. The quarter-mile time is claimed to be in the high 10s. It probably won’t be the base but that’s still pretty damn good for anything with wheels.

Honestly, this still feels like a put on. The Cybertruck teasers were akin to how Gabbo was promoted on The Simpsons. Nobody knew what to expect and you never stopped hearing about it. The mystery was the story and I’m almost as bewildered and lost now as I was when I went into this experience. Is this brilliant and I’m not seeing it? Where are the windshield wipers and mirrors? I thought this was supposed to be a production vehicle and all I see is a well-polished concept.

Am I still recovering from the event’s incredible production quality? What has happened here exactly?

I think Cybertruck looks like a prop from a sci-fi film (not in the way Musk wants) and probably won’t function well as a legitimate work vehicle as it’s currently designed. You’ll be able to haul things in it, sure. But those cool lips that help to give it that futuristic profile basically mean you have to go to the very back every time you want to chuck something in or pull something out. And, if that’s going to be the case, why wouldn’t you just get nice boring crossover? I am probably overthinking this. Tesla put on a good show and is probably going to sell bunches of these things.

That was my first reaction as well. After seeing several different angles, I love it. Its so brash and different that everyone will be paying attention. Its like a early 90s design fused with modern technology and convenience. I dont know that I would call it a “truck” any more than a Ridgeline is a “truck”, but the Tesla pickup is wonderful in its own right.

I bet there’s some redneck out there warming up his torch right now and will have a clone built by Wednesday.

I actually like it. And as for the dystopian future? It’s zombie land in most cities cores. More useful to upstage any bro dozer whilst bringing home a load of beard care product. Man up gents!

I like it too, also a big fan of the Lotus Esprit. This won’t threaten the F150, but there are people who enjoy driving vehicles that don’t look like everything else on the road. The tailgate/ramp is brilliant.

I would like to formally apologize to General Motors for criticizing their squared-off wheel openings.

You really owe it to yourself to watch the reveal – yes there are some cringeworthy moments, but they aren’t all on Elon’s side (waves hello at Ford).

There are two kinds of attractive – one is nice to look at or maybe you’re just comfortable with it. There is another kind of ‘beauty’ which is related to function.

But let’s say it’s a concept vehicle – so set the styling aside. Innovations on this vehicle which are very appealing to me: – The ‘exoskeleton’ structure with the resulting space efficiency – The stainless steel [no exterior color choices means more availability with lower inventory] – Onboard 220V power – Adaptive air suspension [lower load floor on demand] – Integrated loading ramp – The paradigm-smashing performance numbers – The ‘total cost of ownership’ comparison

Even if two-thirds of this doesn’t happen, I applaud the level of innovation in a segment which has been fed the lie that evolution has peaked by the oligopolists.

Calling a unibody an exoskeleton doesn’t make it not a unibody. Unibody trucks have always been niche in the US.

Stainless steel is pretty much impossible to repair without replacing the entire panel…not really a plus for a work vehicle. Insurance will reflect this accordingly.

Integrated Ramp? Eh, kind of cool but how is the mechanism. Hopefully better than the Falcon Doors. Also, not difficult for the other makers to integrate, especially since they have been putting steps in the tailgate for years.

Performance? The other EV’s that again, are likely coming to market first are likely to set it. Same with the TCO.

This is a lifestyle vehicle for people who were only going to buy a Tesla anyway. The rest of us will laugh at them.

I thought I understood my own opinion, but Art’s reflexive ink spill has once again convinced me that there’s only one way to think.

I am not questioning weather or not you like it…That’s fine. I personally like some questionable vehicles.

I was simply pointing out that it isn’t particularly innovative when compared to the other EV truck offerings in the wings which again, may actually beat this to market and that there is nothing here to get those Alabamians or anyone else buying pickups to switch in any significant number.

Different can be cool and even revolutionary, I just see this as different to be different and I’m not sure that is to be applauded.

I agree this is not an ideal work vehicle. But could be a great toy hauler, and I’d argue that’s a huge segment of the pickup market.

I knew that people would fall for Elon ‘Snake Oil’ Musk’s BS about the ‘exoskeleton’ being some kind of revolutionary new thing in the automotive world!!! It’s been the majority of what Tesla’s ‘amazingness’ has been about: just pure BS that people with no clue wanted to believe. Especially since the press for some reason just never calls out his BS.

My naive understanding has always been that the majority of stiffness in a traditional automotive unibody comes from the more-contorted inner body panels vs. the relatively smooth (ignoring the multiple character lines of recent models – grin) outer body panels.

This is different (?) than the “stressed skin” construction of modern aircraft. Will the Tesla have the equivalent of bulkheads and stringers? I don’t know. But Musk specifically mentioned the “stressed skin” ‘aircraft’ model in the reveal. And the stainless thickness that I’m seeing reported would be sort of ridiculous for a typical unibody (with inners/outers).

And my again naive understanding would be that my daily driver could not be properly referred to as an ‘exoskeleton’ because very little (?) structural strength is provided by the outer body panels [if it were, the skin of my 14-year-old car would likely resemble a wrinkled B-52].

But the main thing that appeals to me on that point is that Tesla is taking a stab at space efficiency – i.e., high utilization in the correct package size.

(By way of contrast, I cut the bed up on my 1995 GMT400 and sold it for scrap [planning to fabricate a flatbed which should be more suitable for my needs]. The amount of ‘wasted’ [to me] space between the bed inner and the outermost curve of the outside of the bed seems – to me – like just that – a huge waste. I understand that conventional wisdom and many truck buyers would not agree with me on this point.)

@ToolGuy: About the only advantage to the gap between inner and outer skins of a pickup bed is that any damage done to the inside of the bed doesn’t come through to deform the external skin. If you were to go back to the old “Step Side” pickups of the 1950s, the bed sides were a single sheet of metal with either inner or outer bracing, rolled edges to give some rigidity and often a wooden bed floor/deck or an alternating steel and wood deck where the wood would help protect the bed floor from impacts and the abrasive effects of dragging stone and/or heavy objects on the decking. Later versions of the step-side in the later 60s to the current day tend to keep a one-inch gap between inner and outer walls.

Smooth-side beds (once called Fleetsides and similar) always maintained at least some gap between inner and outer walls, often with some form of bracing between the layers for strength.

As to the “unibody” construction, you are mostly correct in that the “frame” in the typical car is made of formed sheet metal rather than a boxed support frame with the body panels just bolted to each other (or welded in many cases.) It would be more realistic to look at the body of the Cybertruck in the same way you look at a truss bridge–using triangular framing (in this case, triangular panels) to self-brace the overall construction. If you look at the images above, there are numerous triangular shapes in the design which when combined result in the trapezoidal profile of the vehicle. The thickness of the rolled steel means that those shapes, especially with the doors closed, will result in an almost uncrushable shape and a body that will simply shrug off the kinds of minor hits that do so much damage to modern vehicles. (I got three significant parking-lot dents on my 2019 Colorado within the first month of ownership!) The resulting vehicle can seemingly survive crashes repairably that would total most other cars and trucks–what was once an advantage for the old body-on-frame vehicles.

Sure, the design is simplistic but the strength should be incredible when compared to most modern cars and trucks AND does not use any special alloys of steel to put pinpoint strength in specific locations, such as we see especially in the Ford cab design as well as other pickups. Those special steels add cost and, especially with the Ford’s aluminum body panels, can generate galvanic corrosion where the two metals meet. Even with steel on steel in those cab frames, if their alloy is too different, weakness could develop at the weld points through galvanic corrosion. The all-steel body and chassis of this truck could make it the most durable platform seen since the ’40s or earlier.

I understand people not liking the Tesla truck (and more specifically the company itself) but personally I give them credit for coming out with probably the toughest truck ever made.

I’m surprised you weren’t wowed with the air compressor. I mean who wouldn’t be completely amazed and want to rush to buy a $70K vehicle that can do what a $20 accessory can do!!

It was already mentioned that ‘exoskeleton’ is pure BS, that in fact that’s the way that the majority of all vehicles on earth have been made for decades…

Why exactly is stainless steel great, what’s it like compared to aluminium, different types of steel, plastic or CFRP? I’d like to know, since I sure don’t trust Elon to tell me what’s good. I also have never needed protection from sledgehammers or thrown ball bearings.

Integrated loading ramp: coming from the company who brought you the Falcon Wing doors, retracting door handles etc. I’m sure that this will go great. Especially on a truck. I’m sure someone might make it work, but I’m also very sure that Tesla is the last company to be able to do that.

I’d like to first of all know what the true numbers will be, and also what paradigm has been shifted other than short acceleration bursts at stoplights (groundbreaking?) and peoples’ time wasted at chargers.

Total cost of ownership will be killed at purchase, and then it’ll be completely buried at the first repair.

I didn’t mention the air compressor because I’m not sure of the volume of air available. I do know how much air I can get from a 110V or 220V air compressor if the amps are available. I’m *very* familiar with how much air comes out of a $20 accessory – and I’m not going to run a nailer with those CFM’s.

What so you just get to put forth your opinions and nobody is allowed to disagree with them? I’m sorry I missed the part of the forum rules where these threads were designated as “Safe Spaces” for ToolGuy. Get over yourself.

@ToolGuy: “I didn’t mention the air compressor because I’m not sure of the volume of air available.” —- The volume of air available is in the vicinity of billions of cubic feet–it draws its air from the available atmosphere. Your statements need to be far more precise if you want to present a logical argument.

I can see multiple ways that USABLE air volume can be attained and one of those is to simply ensure that the on-board compressor feeds to a storage tank from which the tool can tap what it needs. Then again, depending on the tool itself, not all that much volume is really needed unless you’re using a grinder or a paint sprayer. Even then, you probably need a dryer attached and that would be part of a storage tank’s plumbing for any professional, wouldn’t it?

Many gas vehicles that are built for work or offroad use a belt driven underhood air compressor. Those are as effective as the ones you find in a garage…a far cry from those tire inflators. My old Land Cruiser had such a set up and it would run air tools no problem. But I am sure ToolGuy knew that as he is well informed and his opinions aren’t allowed to be questioned.

The possibility of a useful quantity of usable air using battery power appeals to me – because if I don’t need to run an ICE engine to generate compressed air, I can use such a setup indoors (no fumes).

Before my truck came into my possession, it belonged to the local electric utility. 1/2 ton SL model, so likely more of a ‘supervisor’ vehicle than a real work truck. But still it got some relatively heavy abuse to many of the body panels.

On top of that, it had GM’s paint delamination issue (not sure if they deleted a primer coat or changed the formulation, but the paint peels off in sheets especially with high UV exposure).

I did some junior-varsity level bodywork on the cab (enjoyable and learned a lot), took it down to bare metal and painted it with real-live 2K death paint (again – enjoyable and something I always wanted to try).

Based on the damage to the bed, didn’t want to go through all that trouble, and I think I will vastly prefer a flatbed for the way I use the truck – planning to use wood decking and I just like that idea.

So anyway, to the extent that a relatively thick stainless steel exterior skin would be tougher and more abuse resistant, yes that idea appeals to me. And for me, I’m not as concerned with potential ‘staining’ issues on the “stainless” steel. [I have a longstanding love-hate relationship with shiny paint on Class A surfaces.]

This is my opinion. No one else has to share it. I’m not triggered and I don’t need a safe space.

Mostly debadged (one smaller ‘customized’ badge* on the reworked grille, because I think the current size of badges is ridiculous and I want to lead by example lol) and I removed the mast antenna and filled in the hole (oxy-acetylene). Former chrome front bumper is now black (it previously had some serious dents).

*I cut down the old tailgate “GMCTruck” badge and mounted the (smaller) “GMC” portion on the new powder-coated black elongated-hexagon grille insert. Almost used the “Truck” portion instead, but my image-conscious teenage daughter convinced me that this was *too* eccentric even for me.

I think he believes everything he says. I think he honestly believes he will be living on Mars sometime within his life.

In two years the Bay Area and Seattle are going to be chock-full of these things, all driven by tech bros, all with empty beds, all busy trying to menace everyone else in sight. That, not traditional truck buyers, is the audience.

All while a simple child points and says that the emperor has no clothes. “Mom what is this ugly thing?”

Elon Musk is the god-king of tech bros. Basically, all the people in the tech industry who want to be him.

I’d like to have a cut of that $24 billion but I don’t want to be like him, he does doochey things and makes a fool of himself. Remember “Funding secured”? I can only imagine the amount of money that was made and lost over that tweet.

It’s a whole culture. When the frat boys came into tech and took it over from the thick-glasses geeks who ran it until sometime in the 1990s, the culture came into being. If you are in Silicon Valley, it’s inescapable. If you’re in San Francisco or Seattle, you see a lot of it. It’s a combination of utopianism, douchiness, and supreme arrogance.

Frat boys came into tech, you mean the out of shape drunk ones with an IQ of less than 100? Really? What the hell is going on out there on your side of the world? How is this even possible?

I really have not witnessed a lot of this behavior first hand, but when I have its been in coffee house type settings with Apple laptop users with some sort of pro-Bolshevik stickers on it or sometimes the shrill dopey looking sort who participate in march against civilization because [insert reason here].

Based on the frat people I encountered in my life, I don’t see a single one of them promoting Utopia and would wager 90% wouldn’t even understand the concept. We’re talking Homer Simpson level intelligence here.

to be fair, it’s no different than people who adore their favorite QB or basketballer. Elon is to geeks what Brady or Lebron are to jocks. He’s what they wish they could be.

Really ? In metro Detroit area I see hundreds of pickup trucks every day during my commute. 95 percent of them have empty beds and are essentially used as an urban cowboy commuter vehicles. At least the Tesla would be much more fuel efficient although harder on the eyes.

I have a dumb question. Most Tesla owners have a charger put into their garages to recharge overnight.

Will this thing fit into a standard size garage stall? I don’t think (in fact I am sure) that I couldn’t stuff an F150 in my garage. It would have to live in the driveway.

Will Tesla offer a “lollipop charger to put in the driveway for those whose trucks live outside?

Standard for which area of the country? Urban garages are far smaller than suburban which are smaller than rural.

You can’t run a cord from the charger to your driveway? That doesn’t seem like an insurmountable problem.

Last time i checked, tech bros could hardly non-menacingly pilot their eco-friendly super hybrid turbo boxes safely down the freeway even when cruising below the speed limit in the left lane. Sounds like your neck of the woods is gonna be one fun commute in 2022.

And can someone explain to me Tesla’s relentless obsession with meaningless 0-60 times, in segments where they offer no utility whatsoever?

Just when I thought my opinion of Musk couldn’t sink any lower. Time to revive the old God/Larry Ellison joke, and sub in Elon for Larry.

Pickup trucks are tools, and the reason they’ve remain essentially unchanged for a century is because that’s the best configuration of the tool. “Different just to be different” is the mark of someone who has started to fall for his own press.

However, the pickup truck form shape is designed around having a big internal combustion engine in the front. That’s no longer necessary with an electric drive train.

On the other hand, no, the modern pickup truck does not NEED such a high hood; the engine is mounted higher than in older trucks. The engines themselves, with the exception of the largest, are also much smaller and don’t need the under-hood volume they’ve been given, meaning that with just a little work, the grille could be as much as 6″ shorter, bottom to top, than it is.

Man, that interior is just so awesome and inviting, bursting with cues of future pride in ownership. Undentable. I might want double thick stainless steel bench seat bottoms shaped like tractor seats for easy-ridin’ comfort and for protection from the occasional IED found on America’s highways, as I flee my armed pursuers waving 9 mm handguns and wielding Craftsman hammers, leaning out of the windows of an F150 3.5tt Ecoboost with both its turbo’s tongues hanging out in distress. Oh yeah.

For $40K, freaks can indulge their fantasies. For $70K, you get the Low Earth Orbit Space-X Edition. The RAM Warlock is now officially toast.

I’m sorry, but how can any media actually report Tesla’s claimed pricing as fact, let alone in the headline? It has been definitively proven that any and all pricing data from Tesla is completely unreliable. It could actually be characterised as reliably fraudulent.

Battery-electric to internal combustion price parity is getting closer. I’m basing that on info from executives other than Musk. So, $40k should be doable.

I can’t speak for Europe, but I don’t think Mr. Fischer’s optimism translates well to USDM. The US median income is 62 and change, and based on F-150 sales when the proles do buy what they cannot afford its a truck. Maybe Mr. Musk feels he can sway them with a Tesla offering? Not sure how that will play out, but I don’t see too many average people clamoring for a 40K not-a-truck with the high cost and all of the drawbacks EVs have (cold temp issues, range issues, equipment for home, having to charge all the time etc). Maybe they can reach 20K they has a better shot, but the fact that the Mitsu Mirage sold nearly triple the amount of units as was expected speaks well to the true economic situation of the US.

Jonah, Ruth, Samuel and that chimp are going to have a tough time loading this thing into the back of Ark II.

…well, there’s always the landmaster, or failing that, super joe’s rocket command center, or failing that, the big trak transport trailer…

Ahhh I get it…It’s the Pontiac Aztec. I mean the Tesla Aztec. Same reaction of the press when it was unveiled. Exact same. Talk about shock and awe… but without the awe. No matter how geeky a gal programmer is … or a he programmer if the case may be… this piece of nonsense AINT GOONA SELL. Not to a geek. Not to an atypical buyer. Not to the 11 year old who just found a pot of gold. Why? Because…. because it’s an embarrassment… that’s why. Why can’t someone just electrify a Ranger or an S10 already? Shit

No rear window when that shutter thing on top of the bed is up? And as you pointed out there’s no wipers, mirrors, they didn’t even bothermwith an interior mock-up?

underground miners going to love this ute. as will tradies with valuable power tools. (electricity, compressed air, and stealing resistant tray) tradies that carry tools in the vehicle, but materials above the vehicle.

As if electric sockets weren’t available in trucks already, and compressed air plus a bed cover would be hard to add on?

You find no impracticalities then? Like no rear window when the bed-cover is on? I’m sure there will be a long list…

Producing sufficient 115v current to run a compressor that can run air tools from 12v DC would be hard, yes.

“Producing sufficient 115v current to run a compressor that can run air tools from 12v DC would be hard, yes.”

My 2002 F150 can run a pancake compressor all day long. Those that need the portable power install inverters as did the gov’t agency that owned the pickup before me. Of course they removed the actual inverter but all of the wiring was still intact and two of the mounting holes lined up. They apparently had a unit larger than the 1800w one I installed.

Many an offroader has mounted a real belt driven air compressor under the hood of their rig. It isn’t hard.

Even though I’m not a truck guy, I prefer to be less visible with my vehicles. This is great news for Rivian.

I’m sorry but taking a Jeep and upsizing it was not a long road to acceptance, the HMMWV has been in the news for over 10 years before it hit streets.

Yeah the H1 wasn’t polarizing at all…most people had a very favorable opinion of them from the moment they saw them in the Desert Storm coverage in 1991. Some folks thought they were silly for the street, but I’m not aware of anyone that thought the design itself was polarizing.

This has to be a loyalty test for Tesla superfans. They’re just seeing how much they can get away with.

Clearly #theEmperorhasnoclothes. Mr. Musk (say that 3 times fast!) has no trusted confident that can tell him, wtf!?! He doesn’t know even ONE sassy black woman. Is this a publicity stunt & the real truck is hiding behind that other curtain. I was not a fan of the Rivian when I first saw it but it is growing on me. I loved Knight Rider, Blue Thunder, & Airwolf but those vehicles need to stay in 1984, where they belong. So does this abominaiton.


This is the stupidest sh$t I’ve ever seen. I feel like I need to go take a drug test to figure out wtf someone put in my food.

Woah – I mean woah – it’s like a 1980s flashback of what the future is going to look like. Which means, being the geek that I am, that part of me likes it. But… wow. It is so uh… strange.

I love it just because so different. As if someone made a stealth fighter truck. I drew stuff like this in high school after seeing the Terminator. They told us the future would look like this, now its confirmed. I also hate it because its a completely joke, stupid and over the top. I assume it only comes in this color, a darker version and black.

With the bigger tires, greater clearance and tougher hide, this is a good start on a dystopian urban assault vehicle and would function well in our potholed, poop-fiiled, drug-addled zombie-vagrant-infested west coast cities. The open bed has to go, though. It is an invitation to theft, occupation, or poop. It would help if the driver could send an electric shock through the vehicle’s skin, to ward off the grasping living dead.

LOL. It’s incredible what Fox News is teaching people. The best, fastest vehicle for navigating the big West Coast city I live in is a bicycle.

Point taken, but during the zombie apocalypse? In that case, I’d want something with a closed cabin!

Relevant: https://www.rvt.com/Urban-Assault-Vehicle-GMC- Palm-Beach-EM50-1976-Louisville-KY-ID8758334-UX76021

FCA-level link – it will work properly if you tweak it slightly (highlight both lines; delete the space if required).

If you poke ’round South Central Los Angeles there are a fair number of these old GMC rigs being used by homeless, a few even have working air bag suspensions …

Okay, I’ll admit I’m a bit of a design nerd, but how can someone employed as an auto writer not know “Hollywood guy” is Tesla’s chief designer Franz von Holzhausen?

It would have made a good prop in the old Thunderbirds tv show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDX5Mlz46Vg

This is the first Tesla that makes sense, at a reasonable price. Bullet proof is a good idea in today’s car jacking world.

Does car jacking still happen in the US? I heard about it all the time in Florida in the mid ’90s, but not so much since. Did the media decide to ignore it like marauding gangs in the Virginia tidewater area?

Yes it occurs in the US, mainly in large cities. Does not get any press coverage unless someone is killed.

“93% of carjackings occur in cities and suburbs. Approximately 38,000 carjackings occur each year. A weapon was used in 74% of carjacking occurrences.”

Carjacking is so rare that I’m not wasting my time worrying about it. …And its a safe bet that I’ve spent more time in Chicago and Baltimore than you have.

But I like Warren Buffet’s plan best. The man drives a late-model Buick. He implies its because he doesn’t like to spend money he doesn’t have to, but I bet his security people love this plan. If you saw a guy who looks kike Warren Buffet driving a Buick, but with a different pair of glasses and his suit jacket off, he could be literally any old man in a Buick. Talk about camouflage!

As for me, I ain’t no.celebrity. just a 40-year-old dad. Like any of the others, at least when I’m just passing through.

This seems like a highly successful design. Once again everyone is talking about whether or not Tesla can achieve their future product plans instead of the little issue of Tesla having spent the past sixteen years burning capital and rent like a government agency.

Remember people, this is a “stupid” test. If you believe for one second this plywood prop from an episode of Space 1999 is real or will ever be built. Well, you’re stupid.

Should put Tesla market value higher than all other auto manufacturers combined despite selling fewer vehicles than any of them.

Every report I’ve seen has mentioned the shattered glass, nearly all of them in the lede and some in the headline. Perhaps this will spark renewed conversations about Tesla’s horrid quality and consistently broken promises.

Yeah, that would be as likely as Windows 98 crashing and presenting the audience with the Blue Screen of Death while Bill Gates introduced it to the world being intentional.

NBC-TV report was eloquent about the bullet proof body, showed the guy swinging the hammer. No mention about the glass boo-boo.

then again I am one of the few remaining lunatics with a regular cab pickup….which I will keep because it’s great at hauling stuff and pushing snow.

So Tesla is chasing the “I want a truck but I’ll have another truck to do all my truck stuff” market? Man, now I see.

I actually use my pickup as a pickup and several times a week to load generators, compressors, a 4x quad and anything over 200lb on wheels or a dolly by myself i have to bring loading ramps with me all the time.

Till now the only Tesla product i was interested in or had considered taking a risk purchasing from a cannabis infused hustler of questionable sanity was the Powerwall.

I might risk dealing with a financial house of cards and the go F yourself warranty/ customer support and wallet draining parts and maintenance just to save my lower back and a lot of hassle for myself.

And yes its a visual abomination but like the new silverado and silverado HD you don’t have to look at it while driving it.

Also as a resident of the Great Lake effect snow rust belt i am intrigued by the Stainless steel body and would like to know if the undercarriage and fasteners will be of a similar corrosion resistance or if it will be the same chinesium grade materials as the model S where just after the warranty is up the ball joints rust apart and fail and the 1000 buck each from tesla only door handles fail.

Or even better- Hint, Hint aftermarket — maybe somebody will make a copy of this and make a few adaptors so it will fit each of the big 3’s pickups.

So it can go far enough from California’s urban fascists for you to be able to unload and use your ATV.

Everything he knows about California he learned from reddit while sitting in his moms basement all day.

And by living there from 6/2002-1/2004 and 4/2007-12/2015. And I’ve been back since. And I work for a company that is based there and my work is in support of operations in Brawley and Fresno. Your lack of perceptiveness combined with your delusions of not being an imbecile are charming.

It is my concern for the wishes of the derelict community that prevents me from accepting the enticements of my employer to return.

I would never buy a “normal” pickup but I would so buy this. This thing is beyond awesome! I have not been so impressed with a vehicle design ever in my life!

America needs a few more people who have no use for pickup trucks to drive pickup trucks. Crisis averted.

Yes. They got 200k orders in the first couple of minutes, so clearly there will be a lot more “pickup” owners. I don’t see it as a pickup, it is more of a “ute” in my eyes. Or a “cybertruck” — take that Steph :)

You might want to read the book again if you think that Rearden was a rent-seeker relying on command-economy fascism.

I was going to say, I don’t recall Hank getting a subsidy or having a Government contract for every mile of reardon steel he laid down…I seem to recall the government fighting him.

Shoosh, go away naysayers, go run your little brown Type R’s with wood paneling and lament the departure of stick shifts for your I-6 engines. This thing is awesome though it’s hard to believe the pricing.

It is hard to believe because if it happens it’ll be like the base 3…available for a week if you order standing on your head, using Netscape, and know the secret code.

I feel like I am perhaps witnessing automotive history here. For decades the pinnacle of a screwed up launch has been the Ford Edsel. I think perhaps it has finally, after so many years, been eclipsed.

This will sell some copies…To Tesla Faithful in search of a “lifestyle” truck. That is a small niche. Don’t give me any “but fleets”. They won’t because there are at least 2 other trucks coming that will let you plug in tools (F150, Rivian) that may very well beat this to market AND work with accessories from upfitters.

Truck buyers have spoken on sloped bedrails (even Honda couldn’t make it work). And that tailgate/cover mechanism…on a jobsite? I really thought I was being trolled.

Actually, the “lifestyle” niche is pretty damn huge: ” According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less.” https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume

Considering this is obviously not a body-on-frame design, those triangular shapes are necessary for longitudinal rigidity. This thing is built like a bridge, not like a truck–and a truss bridge is extremely strong for the amount of material used to build it. Of course, this thing is going to be heavy, too. Making it of stainless steel thick enough to stop bullets means a lot of metal is going into it. All told, the design makes eminent sense, though admittedly it’s not “pretty.”

On the other hand, what I see here is also quite practical. If that ramp tailgate makes it to final production, that eliminates many of the issues experienced with conventional pickup trucks for load height and especially loading wheeled items, whether that be a hand truck load of boxes or, as they show here, an ATV. I think the only thing I wouldn’t like is the relatively short bed as it appears to be less than five feet. But then, pretty much all crew-cab pickups only carry a five-foot bed or less anyway.

And aerodynamically the design is good too, though maybe not ideal. The wedge shape will certainly move the air over it smoothly and the flat bottom will mean less drag underneath. But that also means that at speed the vehicle could actually try to lift off the ground. Only the fact that it’s so heavy will mean that lift-off speed will be higher than the motors will take it. They may eventually need to add some sort of spoiler just to break the airflow and prevent lift. That said, when unloaded the bed vortex may be enough of a spoiler, even if it does improve overall efficiency.

All told, I like it, at least partially due to its atypical appearance and its apparent capabilities. However, visibility may be a question if side cameras are not approved for visibility enhancement because traditional side mirrors are going to have trouble in the typical blind spots where drivers usually glance over their shoulders to check. On the other hand, having things pilfered from the load will also be far more difficult. That’s one reason why bed sides on conventional pickups are so high today.

Lifestyle vehicle for the Tesla Faithful. There are so many reasons this won’t work for any organization or person that actually needs a truck. But yeah, if you are the Stereotypical TTAC truck owner that never actually does truck things, sure…it’s great.

Blade Runner My Kiester…It looks like one of the crappy B”Back to the Future 2″ prop cars. But Elon says it’ll even hover.

Yeah, actually I was surprised to see this has a 6.5 foot bed per the specs. I know the F150 supercrew is available with either 5.5 or 6.5 foot beds. Of course if you actually need more you can get 3/4 ton super crews with full 8 foot beds or half ton extended or regular cabs with the same.

With batteries this will weigh at least 5000 pounds, no way it’s generating enough lift at highway speeds to go anywhere. Take off speed for a 1700 pound Cessna is 60 mph, and that’s with actual wings.

The only part of the design that really makes me go “hey” is that sharp corner between the windshield and the roof.

But I realized it probably serves an aerodynamic function, encouraging the air to separate aft of the driver.

The design is growing on me. But, in my mond its becoming a competitor for the Jeep Gladiator more than a competitor for the F-150.

Well, y’all said you were tired of melty, blob-like CUVs. Here’s the future, and it’s all angles.

So first reaction “WTF”. After a bit. Well it looks like you gave some design kids a set of requirements like “tough””tow over 10k lbs””higher then 3k payload””6.5′ bed””high ground clearance””load wheeled items into bed easily”. but they had never actually seen or used a pickup truck before. Now in some respects that’s cool but as far as a money making enterprise I have some serious doubts. Even my 13 year old (who likes current GM pickup front ends) thinks this is ugly.

Now I have a strange obsession with awful automotive design, so I kind of want them to make these and maybe even own one, but if I were a share holder I would have serious reservations.

It’s ugly as all get out, but that payload! If you’re really buying a truck to do truck things, instead of just look pretty, this looks pretty promising.

I’ll believe a unibody vehicle with a 3500# payload (implying an 11,000 GVWR or so) and 14,000 lb towing when I see it on sale.

That bed doesn’t seem to be able to flex either. I have no experience with the subject, so I wonder how this combo of a rigid structure tied in with the cab structure and a high payload works out…

The panels are 3mm thick. I read somewhere the door panels (just the skins) weigh 60 lbs each. How thick is the metal on frame rails anyway?

What frame rails? This is unibody taken to the extreme. Those doors, when closed, add to the strength of the body. Look at the construction of a truss bridge; the the truss is the frame.

For reference (your question I think) the frame rails on my 1995 GMT400 C1500 [open C channel] are 10 gauge (measured with thickness gauge and confirmed with the Mitutoyo calipers after clearing surface rust) and the major crossmembers are 11 and 12 gauge.

@vulpine: You’re right. Bad wording on my part. The reason I asked about the frame steel thickness was for a comparison between a conventional frame and the Cybertrucks exoskeleton. They’re about the same thickness at 11 gauge. Now I get the whole “exoskeleton” reference. I can’t wait to hear Sandy Munro’s comments on this.

I’d appreciate your perspective on my rambling ‘exoskeleton’ take: https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/11/tesla-unveils-cybertruck-in-la-39900-of-absolute-madness/#comment-9839340

I thought the photo was a teaser made by an unskilled 8th grade boy. To use my 101 year olds Aunts saying, it’s worse than butt ugly!

Lately I’m kind of attracted to the El Camino (never cared for it at the time). This sort of reminds me of that.

In the Simpsons episode (“Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?” Season 2 Episode 15, now available on Disney Plus), Herbert Powell (Danny DeVito) turns over the design to Homer – Herb never checks in on his progress until the reveal.

THIS is the opposite of that. THIS is Elon Musk showing the vehicle that Elon Musk wanted after Elon Musk saw Blade Runner in 1982. And for that, really, give the guy props. Congratulations, Elon Musk on achieving your dream. Seriously.

[I’ve been listening lately to a guy who explains that all super-high-performance individuals are basically self-centered jerks – think of Steve Jobs for example. It’s a package deal. You don’t get the brilliance of Apple without dealing with Steve’s “personality.” It has caused me to look differently at Elon Musk.]

There really are some good Simpsons episodes dealing with automobiles. Check out “Mr. Plow”. (Also “Tucker…” is currently available on Amazon Prime.)

You may be right on the Jobs comparison, however I can’t help but compare this Truck to Steve’s noted passion project (and abject failure)…The Apple Lisa.

I laughed when I saw this thing the first time. I still am laughing at it. One of the lamest looking things I’ve ever seen on wheels.

I’ve seen worse, nrd. Like 20 years of lame full-sized pickups with gigantic, fake big rig grilles that destroy visibility and put a huge brick wall in the airstream, which is WHY their average highway fuel mileage is so low.

I consider 25 MPG hwy pretty good for a full-size 4 door Z71 V8 truck, even better when it occasionally reaches up as far as 30MPG.

@Hummer: 25mpg is a rare number for a V8 pickup truck; by now they should all be doing 30mpg or better on a regular basis, not just downhill. The same holds true for my own pickup, a Z71 Colorado with the V6, which has only achieved 28mpg. They’re simply too blocky, with a high Coefficient of Drag and enormous frontal area. Give the same drivetrain I have in my truck, I would bet the CYBRTRCK body would achieve 35mpg highway with no other mechanical changes.

I would be surprised if this conversation piece has less total drag than your Colorado. Wedges are not aerodynamic shapes, which is why they came and went so quickly as a styling fad almost fifty years ago. A teardrop is an aerodynamic shape, and they go through the air rounded end first. Remember the flying buttresses on cars like the 1968 Charger and Corvette? When it came time to race, they covered up the tunnel-back of the Charger with a piece of class. When fuel economy became important, the C3 Corvette sprouted a convex glass bubble in place of the stylist’s vacuum created by flying buttresses. The CYBRTRK probably as the highest coefficient of drag of anything this side of a Jeep Wrangler. The cathedral ceiling feature means that it has plenty of frontal area to multiply that coefficient by in determining its total drag too. The lack of rear view mirrors may be its best aerodynamic feature, but all 50 states will have to agree to eliminating them before it can be sold nationwide.

@ToddAtlasF1: A wedge won the Indianapolis 500–I believe the last race that Andy Granatelli entered as an owner. In fact, wedges won several Indy races and even changed the F1 cars before more science came into the game.

The Teardrop is a water droplet’s highest drag shape, where the air has pushed the nose in and the surface tension of the water causes the tapered tail. Yes, it is aerodynamic, as far as it goes, but it is not the MOST aerodynamic because if it were, all of our aircraft today would have huge, blunt noses pushed almost flat. A needle is far more aerodynamic than a teardrop, which is why the world’s fastest trains have a long, sloping nose to guide the air up and around the vehicle. The fastest jets have a long, tapered nose. I strongly recommend study instead of just believing what you hear.

It’s also the best looking full-sized truck of the lot, but it’s still not as good as the Tesla. And you’re STILL ignoring the frontal area, which is a multiplier of the drag coefficient which slows the damned beast down at highway speeds. A lower hood means less drag overall. Air needs to flow smoothly over the vehicle and any change in shape can and will cause changes in airflow around the vehicle. The bigger the frontal area is, the more energy is needed just to maintain speed.

I think you should at least investigate the definition of frontal area before you try condescending to me. As Kim Aaron said. “The frontal area represents the area as projected right along the velocity vector. If you shone a parallel light right along the velocity vector, the shadow on a wall behind it would be the projected area (or frontal area).”

The frontal area of the Cybertruck is defined by its dimensions at the peak of its cathedral roof added to the surface presented to the air by the fronts of its exposed tires. The size of its pointy nose does nothing to influence its frontal area, just the mount of drag created by air trying to reattach to the bed cover after breaking over the roof’s peak.

Regretfully for you, Kim is wrong. Over the years I have seen many studies of the frontal area of cars and trucks and in some cases, the frontal area of the vehicle is SMALLER than the physical area because of the way the air moves around the vehicle. The lower the Coefficient of Drag is, the more reduction there is in that apparent size. Your ‘projected light’ example is simply incorrect because light doesn’t bend in the same manner as air when the vehicle flows through it. A much better simile would have been pulling the vehicle underwater behind a boat, where the effect would be magnified roughly 1000 times. Or, if you really want to be scientific about it, take an accurate scale model of both thee Tesla and the F-150 and run your experiment in a water tank, using a pinpoint dye feed to view the flow over the models.

But the simple fact is that because of the obvious change in angle between the sloped (or un-sloped hood as it were) and the windshield, the area projected is larger on a conventional truck than it is on the Tesla. The only “slab nose” shape on the Tesla is about 12″ high by 80″ wide at the very front with no added angles (except where the mirrors will go) to affect smooth flow over the front of the truck.

On the other hand, the sharp roof angle back downward will be enough to break the ‘skin effect’ of airflow before it can create lift which could raise the rear of the truck off the ground at speed with the bed cover closed and when open, would enhance the bed vortex effect improving aerodynamics as compared to the square-back effect of conventional pickups. So you have either a fastback SUV or an open-bed truck as needed, with little risk of aerodynamic lift causing instability issues.

Oh, I agree the design isn’t perfect but it is certainly better than conventional pickups at this time.

@Todd Atlas: For reference of what I just stated above, there is this: https://www.quora.com/What-is-frontal-area-in-aerodynamics.

Note that Kim Aaron’s simplistic definition is corrected by Logan Braadt, BS in aeronautical engineering and applied math with a CFD focus, and Jithin George, B Tech Mechanical Engineering, MBITS Nellimattom (2017), who both point out that the SHAPE of the vehicle has an effect on the aerodynamic frontal area. Kim’s definition implies an absolute flat surface which is NOT aerodynamically valid for most vehicles.

Total drag, or drag area, is the drag coefficient multiplied by the frontal area. The frontal area is measured exactly the way that I described it. The drag coefficient is measured by testing the vehicle in a wind tunnel while measuring the drag exerted on the vehicle. That drag is then divided by the calculated drag of a flat plane with the area of the vehicle’s frontal area to determine the vehicle’s drag coefficient. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about and yet you think arguing can change the meaning of words you don’t know so you can win through attrition of my giving a Nate about your ignorance. I used to like saying that I’d rather light a candle than curse your darkness. You take blowing out candles to new places.

“As for frontal surface area, consider some object traveling through a freestream. If you were to look directly at the front of the object from the perspective of the freestream and see only the silhouette of the object against a blank background then the area of that silhouette would be the frontal surface area; it has nothing to do with how the object is formed. While not as common for measuring drag, you do sometimes see frontal surface area used in simple shapes that don’t produce lift. The reason being is that induced drag, drag caused by lift, is proportional to lift coefficient, which is always in reference to the wing planform area. So it makes more sense to use wing planform area to reference drag as well to make it easier to quantify drag polars, not to mention to only worry about a single reference area. That being said, you can use whatever area you want to reference your drag coefficient”

It means the exact same thing, but you are so convinced that you’re not wrong that you’re finding some imaginary grey area like a Trump impeachment fanatic.

@ToddAtlas: A drag calculator I found online suggests an effective frontal area of roughly 8.37 square feet. https://hpwizard.com/aerodynamics.html

My current daily driver in a 1982 Mercedes W123, typical three box design, I assume not very slippery .

Just for fun I’ve been using the cruise control on the highway / freeway and staying in the slow lane, 60 ~ 65 MPH .

I don’t imagine many are going to want to plod along slowly in their new pickups whatever the brand but reduced speeds seem to help when you’re piloting a basic brick .

@Nate: I’ve achieved 27+ mpg with my Chevy Colorado V6 (300hp) by driving sensibly and with cruise control on the highway. In town mileages not so good.

I imagine sooner or later I’ll give up and buy a newer (? modern ?) pickup with a small maybe four clyinder engine and AC and marvel at why I waited so long .

In general I like smaller, traditional sized 1/2 ton pickups, I’ve owned quite a few over the decades and only one that really wasn’t very good .

Nate: I sold a ’97 Ranger regular cab/6′ bed. Loved the size for driving, agility and downright fun but the version I had carried the dual-ignition 2.3L I-4. 112 horses and it lost at least 20 horses when the temperature went above 90°F. Thing was grossly underpowered for where I live and the regular cab gave me no place to put anything I wanted to carry out of the weather (or avoid pilferage when parked.) Ergo, I needed/wanted an extended (but not crew) cab. Got everything I asked for it and the guy who purchased it is absolutely ecstatic about it.

The modern Mid-sizer is almost as big as the old half-ton full size, only slightly narrower. My complaint, outside of the size, is that fact that only Toyota managed to actually have a clean floor in the half-sized second row and that was only with earlier models–the newer ones putting a massive plinth for the seat cushion base that takes up almost the entire floor when the second row is used maybe once or twice a year and the floor would be much more useful as… simply a floor. I want to carry bowling bags back there but I have to lift them all the way up to the seats because there’s only about 6″ of floor space available when the front seats are at my driving position and 1″ when my wife is driving. (Yes, she’s almost 4″ taller than me and she’s got LONG legs.)

Because of the way the seats are mounted, it’s almost impossible to take those seats out easily, though likely easier to get them back in. I just haven’t tried… yet. I may have my dealership pull them soon and store them in my basement for reinstall as needed.

I have seen better. I agree I don’t like the big rig look as well but I definitely don’t like this and if this is the future of pickups then I will be cured from ever buying another one. I prefer a functionally designed truck that doesn’t require a running board to get into the cab nor a ladder to get into the bed and that is not so big that it requires a semi sized parking space. I would be shocked if this prototype makes it into production and if it did I would be just as shocked if they sold enough of these to continue production.

Why not make something electric along the lines of the old El Camino and Ranchero that has an extended cab. The Hyundai Santa Fe concept comes the closest to this and if it could be made electric this would be a perfect size for most suburbanites especially if it were price reasonably and not into the stratosphere. This Tesla prototype is ridiculous and looks like it was drawn by a kindergartner.

Just because I and I think the majority here think this is hideous doesn’t mean they won’t sell .

Maybe they will sell. I do like the ramp that would be something that I would like to see incorporated on all trucks. The rest of the truck sucks.

Questions (some already asked): – Is it serious or a joke – Is this the ‘final’ version or just a prototype and it will change some or a lot (ex. grow mirrors) – Are there multiple ‘versions’ available and this is just one – Will it pull from truck buyers or find new buyers

[The chances of me purchasing this vehicle as presented are about double the chances of me purchasing a King Ranch – but both probabilities are very low.]

Not the final version. Remember, the production version Model 3 changed from the prototype in the reveal.

Probably new buyers for the most part, but who knows. The comical part will be that it will probably be perceived as a gas guzzler by some. Love to put a bumper sticker on it saying something to the effect “This giant big-azzed butt-ugly truck is greener than your Prius.”

One thing is for sure, if it’s successful in terms of numbers, it might start a new design trend for pickups and CUVs.

A) It is serious; B) It will probably grow mirrors because of government regulations; C) One body, three drivetrains; D) Unlikely to draw conventional truck owners at first but when they start showing their stuff on the road, some of those conventional truck owners might change their minds.

I could see this for the military especially if it is armored. As for 150k units lets see if this truck actually makes production in its current form. I doubt this truck will topple the F-150 in sales and once Ford introduces their own E version truck Ford will probably be the sales leader. I could see various branches of the military buying this and maybe the Government will be the main customers for this truck. One thing for sure this will be one of the most expensive pickups on the market eliminating most buyers from considering it. I doubt this truck will be sold at this price even in a base model. I do like the ramp and this is an idea I would like to see adopted by all the manufacturers. I don’t mind the idea of an electric truck just that this design at best is polarizing. Also I would like to see an electric truck that is more compact in size just for those of us that don’t want a semi sized truck. The Santa Cruze concept in an extended cab in an E version might peak my interest and would definitely meet most of my needs.

No doubt the other OEMs like Ford will retain leadership in production of cars but I do believe they will remain about 3-5 years behind in development and technologies to Tesla. So far, nobody has been able to make their battery technologies as trouble free and durable (relatively speaking) as Tesla’s battery packs and even Porsche is realizing a “production hell” in getting their Taycan out… delayed a minimum of 5 months from planned release.

In other words, while Tesla will at best garner surge sales for being first with a different product, the others will catch up in numbers over time but consistently lag behind in capabilities by years.

In cars Tesla will retain the lead in EVs but if and when Ford comes out with an EV truck Ford will lead. For most who want a truck especially those who already have trucks and want an EV truck I don’t believe they will be attracted to this particular EV.

I don’t think EV trucks will capture many traditional truck buyers in any case, at least the ones who aren’t urban cowboys or drooling Musk acolytes. The rural ones are the people who actually need ICE fueling ability.

Personally, I wouldn’t buy a truck unless I moved to a rural area, and at least for now if I moved to a rural area I’d want an ICE or hybrid truck.

Where EV trucks will kick butt is in fleets. They’ll have lower TCO for many fleets pretty much from Day 1, and they’ll have some pretty cool abilities for field workers. Tesla won’t even try for this business. Ford will try to capture 100% of it.

Oh look a 3 year old just designed a truck for an upcoming sci-fi B movie- from the 1980’s. 39K my ass!!!

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Back in the 1960 & 1970’s we’d use old York typ AC compressors to provide air for inflating tires and quick clean out of leaves and crud in the pickup beds & foot wells of cars .

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